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  • After presenting myself a little bit I'm gonna need a lot of your help to decide which hammock I should decide (here comes the hard part now )
    Because my sleeping system is a mummypod from outdoor vitals,(don't know if you guys know it) I kind of decided that I want a netless hammock and I gonna start from there building my system, but I also know that a fully retractable or removable net will also work (like in the warrior from littleshopofhammocks or the warbonnet xlc or others with that capacity)
    ok, the big question is should I try to keep things here in europe or should I go and order from the hammocks mecca but pay more for the shipping and customs and etc ... ? In 'Europe' I've found interesting the Woodsman X, the DD brand, (didn't looked at very much, don't know why, don't feel very confident about, tell what you think), Hamaka, looks interesting, therm a rest slacker or the hammock house and from I can remember that's all. From America I was interested in a netless from dutch or simply light designs, maybe a Xlc and the warrior XL, which I've found a good deal, also from camphammocks(don't know which) and a NightOwl from wildernesslogics and maybe finally a Switchback from Tree to tree trail Gear . If you know more that can fit the bill please tell me !!
    I've been studying the theoretical part, but now I need to go to practice, so I need to buy something. Can you help me please to choose the best option for me ?? I need some 'professional's help in here !! Eheh I will be cycling for maybe 4 or more months , so I need something comfortable to be able to rest well and I need to be protected from the elements (I like the knotty mod option such as tie outs to spread a little bit the hammock )
    So, after this biiig but honest introduction, I want to know if somebody can give me some advices and help to choose the best bed for my winter !!!

    thank you everybody for the patience!!!!

  • Hi Xambrian,

    I guess it would be great if you let us know how tall you are. I fear most hammocks available in Europa are rather short and therefore maybe not comfortable enough for the long-term use you are interested in unless you are a rather short guy.

    By the way: as far as I know the Blackbird XLC is available in the Netherlands.

  • Hi there.
    UK hammocks makes an ok hammock. BUT there customer service is bad. They prioritize there expedition business. If there on there expedition you won't here from them.
    But they delivered only two weeks later than specified. And blamed it on the post.

    You can build a decent hammock yourself. Hammockforums.net is THE English source.
    You can buy material https://www.extremtextil.de/ripstop-nylon-…mber=71339.GELB
    here are other fabrics, some lighter som heavier. I haven't used that particular one but it is wide and looks good. Maybe little too yellow.
    Treegirl will open a shop for fabrics soonIsh.

    DD hammocks has decent quality but the most people her think they're too short. I haven't tried.

    The other her ones I don't know.

  • If you like to use a pad in your hammock, I suggest that a double-layer hammock would be a very good idea. Pads tend to slip around and usually don't want to stay where you want them to be. A double-layer helps to keep the pad in place.

    Here you can find some Warbonnet products in the Netherlands:
    https://www.bushcraftshop.nl/search/blackbird/

    As you can see, a single and a double-layer version of the Blackbird XLC is available. However, they are not in stock at the moment (about 4 weeks of waiting time suggested).

    At about 1.78m, I personally would tend to a 11' hammock (335cm).

    Hexon 1.6 is a great fabric. A bit too stretchy for me, but a great choice for many people. So, maybe a Chameleon made by DutchWare Gear could possibly be a great choice for you as well. It is very versatile and offers you the option to lie in any direction. So, you can try both directions and don't have to decide for a direction as in a Blackbird. - As a double-layer you could opt for two layers of Hexon 1.0, I guess.

    • Offizieller Beitrag

    You are going to have to solve two - or rather three - problems:

    1. You need a hammock that is as comfortable as possible, since it's going to be your bed for a long time.
    2. You will need good insulation, since you will be outdoors in all kinds of weather.
    3. And of course you need a tarp that is large enough to protect you from winter weather.

    With a body height of 178cm, I would recommend getting a hammock at least 320cm long. You probably would be OK with the UK Hammocks Woodsman X - at least I (165cm) found it pretty comfortable. But as Mr.magoo wrote, you need patience and persistence in order to get your order. There is another UK option: Bespoke Ultralight. The guy is fairly active on Hammockforums, has a lot of interesting ideas and seems to be reliable. As far as I know, there is no other 11' gathered end hammock maker in Europe. But there are two 90° hammock makers: HammockTent (Switzerland) and Amok (Norway). While 90° hammocks are comfortable, you will need to use pads (no underquilts are currently made for this type of hammock), and there is not a large choice of tarps available.

    As was already mentioned, I'm opening a shop for hammocks and hammock gear, and will be selling hammocks from Warbonnet and Dutch. I also have a couple of DIY hammocks that I want to sell, and I have a WL Night Owl (and a Lite Owl) that I'm selling. Somehow I could never get comfortable in the WL hammocks - I think the fabric is not my cup of tea. They're good hammocks though. If you're interested, simply PM me.

    Once you have a hammock, you'll have to tackle insulation. You can use a pad, but pads have a couple of drawbacks. It's difficult to find a pad that also covers your sides. And pads tend to slide in gathered end hammocks. And last but not least, pads can be sweaty since they are essentially waterproof. Most hammock users switch from pads to underquilts as soon as they can afford it and don't look back. I certainly won't use a pad as my primary insulation ever again if I can avoid it. Unfortunately, underquilts are difficult to obtain in Europe (you either have to be lucky to find a used underquilt or import one from the US), and they don't come cheap. At least if you go for down. Synthetic quilts are cheaper, but also more bulky.

    Finding a suitable tarp will probably be the easiest task. If you don't count grams, there are quite a few options in Europe. DD and Hennessy Hammocks both sell heavy but good tarps. As usual, the best tarps are made in the US. I like Warbonnet tarps best, which is why I'm importing and selling them :) But other good options are Undergroundquilts, Wilderness Logics and Simply Light Designs. However, in order to buy a suitable tarp, you have to decide on a hammock first. Different hammocks need different tarps.

    Good luck with your search!

    • Offizieller Beitrag
    Zitat von xambrian

    The second problem is kind of solved because my mummypod and my sleeping pad are going to be my main insulation, maybe thinking to make a basic U.Q from an old sleeping bag, will see..

    I hate to disappoint you, but pods don't work (well) with long hammocks. Pods work best if they can fully enclose the hammock. As soon as the hammock starts poking out on the ends, there are holes through which warm air can escape - and, of course, cold air can come in. Also, you won't be able to lie diagonal in a pod. They are for inline sleeping ("banana-style") only. So the way I see it, you have to decide: get a small hammock (DD would probably be perfect) and use the mummypod, or get a long hammock, ditch the mummypod and get either an underquilt or modify your pad to use it as your only under insulation.

  • You could try to DIY a hammock even without a having a sewing machine using a cord to whip the fabric at both ends. That way you could try different hammock lenghths and determine which length is most comfortable for you. The whipping is shown in this youtube-video from minute 4:20 to 5:40 :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6Mt1piDSgA

    However I would recommend sewing the edges as shown in the beginning of the video (maybe you know someone who lends you his sewing machine - it doesn't take much time).

    I'm 182cm tall and started hammock camping with a DD Frontline hammock. It was ok but after switching to a 310cm long DIY-hammock I simply couldn't get comfortable in the DD anymore and realised that sometimes size does matter!
    Right now I am using a Chameleon from Dutch and couldn't be happier!

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